If UK Civil Law Recognizes ‘Gay Marriage,’ Catholic Marriages Will Likely Not Be Recognized

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As it stands in the UK now, if civil law recognizes “gay marriage” then in order to protect the right of priests not to perform “gay” weddings, the Church will have to bow out of the civil aspect of marriage altogether. This is the legal reality of the situation.

LifeSiteNews:

Under the current wording of the ["gay marriage"] bill, the “threat of litigation…would be enormous.”

“If we want to keep the current modus vivendi, it is imperative that unintended consequences that may undermine this system should be addressed now and not left until later,” McCrudden said.

“Immediately the bill is passed, the Catholic Church will have to consider how exposed to legal risk it is and whether it can continue to work the existing legal system based on that assessment,” he said.

The government has insisted that wording in the bill creates legal protections for clergy, but they have been repeatedly warned that these “safeguards” are meaningless in the current legal situation.

Catholic priests currently officiate at 8,500 weddings a year in Britain and are recognized as “authorized persons” to marry couples on behalf of the state, he said. They are therefore technically regarded as state officials and as such, homosexuals who want to force the issue could demand that the priests conduct the ceremony or face a claim of unlawful discrimination.

Even if such efforts by individuals, or campaign groups were to fail, the expense of fighting the cases would be crippling for the Church, McCrudden added.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there who believe that we have to convince them of our arguments on marriage in order for our arguments to be considered legally valid. That’s tyranny, folks. To claim that my religious belief is not valid as an argument for protection under civil law unless you are convinced that my belief is reasonable, and are convinced to agree with it, is to advocate tyranny. You’re saying I don’t have the right to believe what I believe unless a majority of people agree with it. Why so many don’t get that such a claim is a claim for tyranny, I will never know.

The issue goes even beyond who can perform civil marriages, though. Bishop Philip Egan rightly says:

“Just as the Church has been forced to abandon its adoption services, so too Catholics who work in the medical profession and in social services are going to find themselves under intolerable moral pressures. These pressures will also arguably be felt throughout our Catholic schools, by teachers, staff and parents.”

Having had many discussions with people who support “gay marriage,” I have come to the conclusion that they have no idea what they are up against in forcing the Church into such a legal predicament. It’s not like we haven’t done this before. In the early Church, the Church did not participate in civil marriage. Marriages were conducted apart from the civil government. Catholics have never needed government to have marriages. My own life is a personal example of this in that the state considers me to be divorced while the Church considers me to be married. I was allowed to obtain a civil divorce for a reason granted in Canon Law, but I am still married in the eyes of the Church, and that is the law I submit to. I remain celibate since my civil divorce.

You don’t have to understand and agree with all of this. You do have to respect that we have the right to believe these things as a matter of religious conscience. With certainty, I can say that the faithful will adhere to Church law when it conflicts with civil law. Always. Given that we don’t need civil government to have marriages, bowing out of the entire civil process is definitely an option for us.

If we are forced to do that, we will be an underground Church. If you ask me, that’s the main reason “gay marriage” is being pushed to begin with. It’s certainly not about “diversity” and “equality” when it forces the Church underground. It’s about forcing the Church underground.

Fr. Guillermo Marco, Pope Francis’ Former Press Secretary Offers Insights on Our New Pope

Tyburn Catholic Martyrs

Plaque commemorating the Catholic martyrs at Tyburn Gallows, Tyburn Convent, London. Photo: |roman soldier| via flickr

Our friend at Etheldredasplace was blessed to be able to hear a talk given by Pope Francis’ former press secretary, Fr. Guillermo Marco, at Tyburn Convent in London, home to cloistered Benedictine nuns. She offers many notes from his speech and it is well worth a read.

Excerpt:
On the Pope’s obviously different way of relating as Pope, Fr. Marco said this, “Pope Francis presents himself as the Bishop of Rome. He does not use the title Pope as he wants to relate to the people of Rome.

He is very deliberate in his actions. He does not act on his feelings.” (This is very interesting.)

“He thinks about what he does before acting.” (Those of us watching him thought he looked quite spontaneous, but this is not true).

Fr. Marco indicated that the Pope wants our prayers, just as he did when he was Cardinal.

“He wants all the prayers of the Church, which is the job of the entire Church.”

Read the whole thing.

Photo credit: |roman soldier|

Cardinal Napier Mistreated in BBC Interview

Cardinal Napier, Archbishop of Durham

Cardinal Napier, Catholic Archbishop of Durban, South Africa

Cardinal Napier, Archbishop of Durban, South Africa, has issued a statement rightly defending the Church and himself in the aftermath of a BBC interview wherein he was misunderstood, mischaracterized and otherwise mistreated, and where afterward his comments were further mischaracterized in some media reports. He was invited to be interviewed on the BBC’s Stephen Nolan Show in regard to the election of Pope Francis. Very little time was spent on this topic before Mr. Nolan jumped into an attack on all the bishops (writ large) in regard to sexual abuse cases.

Via Catholic blogger Mark Cogitates:

Read or listen to the interview with Cardinal Napier.

Read Cardinal Napier’s official statement in response to the mistreatment and mischaracterization.

After listening to the interview and reading Cardinal Napier’s follow-up statement, I will have to say that I agree with Cardinal Napier’s remarks in both. Any clumsiness that might be perceived in his interview performance can surely be attributed to being caught off guard. I think this was the entire point of the interview. In political reporting, we call this a “gotcha” interview, where reporters surprise the person being interviewed with a question not expected and then try to trip him up in his answers through distortion.

In other words, Cardinal Napier suddenly and unexpectedly found himself as the lead witness in a secular media inquisition against patriarchy and hierarchy in the Catholic Church.

Mark Nel, of Mark Cogitates, writes his thoughts about the interview here.

If a person is found by professionals to be incapable of being held criminally liable for their actions due to them suffering from paedophilia and the court agrees, who is he to decide that they must be punished and held criminally liable.

 

Stephen Nolan knows exactly what Cardinal Napier means and understands exactly what Cardinal Napier is saying.

True. Nolan expects something of Cardinal Napier that has no basis in logic, but there are a lot of misunderstandings that need to be cleared up in this. Cardinal Napier is doing a wonderful job of bringing clarity and we all need to pray for him and for Mr. Nolan, that truth may prevail in our public discourse on these matters.

Mr. Nolan, I would ask that you please try to see what I see in Cardinal Napier: a kind person who is trying his best to explain to you the Church’s position and record on this matter, and it is a position and record that is far superior to your misinformed or misguided opinion of it. When I say that it is the Church’s position, it is also my position, as a Catholic mother of four. Cardinal Napier is not merely explaining “the opinion of the bishops today” but, in reality, the clear practice of the Church for a long period of time which is today regarded by professionals who have reviewed it as being among the best practices, if not the best, among institutions worldwide for protection of children from sexual abuse. It is the opinion also of a mother of children; a mother who is a member of the Church along with her children. When you attack a bishop, particularly on this point, as if our bishops are all corrupt and are not protecting children, you attack me, because the safety of my children is paramount to me, and because I care deeply about what our bishops are doing to ensure that. They have not disappointed me in their response. Continued attacks on them through the secular media are attacks on me. When you accuse our bishops thusly, you simultaneously accuse me of being either a nitwit or of being a mother who does not care about the safety of my own children.

Unfortunately, some have the propensity to put the proverbial ear plugs into their ears whenever a bishop speaks as if he is speaking only for himself and other bishops rather than speaking in his proper role. The bishop of a diocese speaks for all in his diocese as their shepherd. As a cardinal, Cardinal Napier’s role is to be an elector of the Pope. It is in this context, his role as an elector of the Pope, that it is appropriate to ask him for an interview outside of his diocese on that topic. Otherwise, his concern is for his own diocese. Cardinal Napier, as Archbishop of Durbin, is responsible for the people of Durbin. He is not the bishop of London, Chicago, Sydney, Cairo, etc. To bring him onto your show which is based outside of his diocese, outside of his country, and even outside of his continent, under the pretext of asking him about the election of Pope Francis, and then to bring up things that have nothing to do with his particular diocese, is out of bounds in and of itself. Unfortunately, Nolan seems to have no clue about this reality. He sees only a cardinal and, apparently, blames any and all cardinals for everything bad that happens in the Church, particularly child sexual abuse by a priest in any diocese around the world.

That is delusional, folks.

If Catholics in the Archdiocese of Durbin do not agree with Cardinal Napier on matters dealing with faith and morals, and if they believe that what he is saying or doing is detrimental to the Church as such, then it is their right, and sometimes even their duty, to say so. This is provided for in Church law. It is not the role of “reporters” in Britain to bring on an Archbishop of Durbin to rake him over the coals over sexual abuse cases which are somehow perceived as being an inherent problem of all in the Catholic hierarchy simply because they are Catholic hierarchy.

Since Nolan (of Britain) thinks himself the appropriate person to indict Cardinal Napier and/or all Catholic bishops on his Ulster platform, then all who are the sheep (yes, sheep), in the Church should speak out in defense him. Reporters may believe themselves to have authority over our Catholic clergy, but they are sadly mistaken, if so. The authority of the bishops on matters of faith and morals is certainly true in the minds and hearts of faithful Catholics. Unfortunately, these days, reporters often consider themselves to be the voice of truth against the “corrupt” hierarchy of the Church and are only too happy to interview a cardinal anywhere and everywhere under false pretenses only to ambush him with attacks on this issue. The “enemy” to such people is not Cardinal Napier, nor of any other individual clergyman. The enemy is clearly the ideas of patriarchy and/or hierarchy, things that are central to our Catholic Faith. Nolan would have done the same thing to any cardinal who agreed to come onto his show because Cardinal Napier is not the enemy to him. Patriarchy and hierarchy are the enemy.

Such as that is what we mean when say that there are people who have an “agenda” against the Church in the context of the sexual abuse of children. We mean, when we say “agenda,” that when a cardinal, bishop or priest makes a statement that makes perfect sense and is backed up by the facts, and the attacks continue, it becomes clear to us that the intention was not to learn the facts nor even to consider them, but rather is something “sinister” as Mark says. It indicates that the reporter is not interested as much in the truth, or even of patiently considering the point of view of the particular clergyman speaking, as he is interested in confirming that his own anti-Catholic, anti-clerical, anti-patriarchy, anti-hierarchy bias is somehow correct or reasonable.

This is akin to blaming public education for the existence of rampant sexual abuse in public schools that has been shown to be a far greater problem, at least here in America, than what we have seen in the Catholic Church. People who are homeschooling their children in America due to widespread corruption in public schools do not believe public education is to blame. To the contrary, they generally will tell you that the march in society toward acceptance of evil, including acceptance of virtually all sins against chastity, is to blame for their not being able to send their children to public school. They have no problem with the existence of public schools, per se. Rather, they object to sending their own children into what has become a lions’ den in recent years which has become so because of widespread acceptance in the culture-at-large of sexual deviancy. In some cases, the practice of teacher’s unions to protect tenured teachers has led to covering up sexual abuse cases. We hear very little about this in the secular media who see public education, certainly not Christ the King, as the great hope of our time now and of our future.

Cardinal Napier has made many important points, both in the interview and in the follow-up statement, that are being completely ignored by some in secular media who appear to fancy themselves to be the heralds of truth serving you, the “ignorant masses,” in “exposing” hierarchy and patriarchy as inherently corrupt, using the Catholic Church, the hallmark of both, as Public Enemy Number One. This is tantamount to a witch hunt. It is an inquisition such as the Church herself is often falsely accused of.

Such people do not really care about sexually abused children except inasmuch as these victims may be used as tools in their attack on what they view as the “larger” problem: patriarchy and hierarchy. An example of this became evident when Cardinal Napier made the point that people who are sexually abused as children sometimes grow up to be sexual abusers of children, and that pastoral care for the sexually abused child extends into adulthood in those cases, as well as with the sexual abuse victim who does not grow up to be an abuser. He offered the example of one priest in particular who had been sexually abused as a child and who then became an abuser himself. Mr. Nolan was appalled that such a person should be treated with any sense of compassion whatsoever. We can gather from Nolan’s reaction in this context that he believes that once a sexually abused child grows up, the person who abused him is responsible for every damage that occurs EXCEPT the damage which led to his becoming an abuser himself. This makes no logical sense. Whereas Cardinal Napier pointed out that a sexually abused child deserves pastoral care even after he becomes an adult, Nolan demands only revenge, revenge, and more revenge. It is not that he cares about damage to victims, even after they grow up, but that he cares about revenge against any priest who has abused a child. The “priest” aspect appalls him more than the abuse does. In this, we see clearly an example of sexually abused children being used only as tools through which an anti-Catholic can attack patriarchy and hierarchy.

Nolan seems to desire a Church that operates in the same Inquisition style that we see in anti-Catholic cartoon tracts, but only in regard to child sexual abuse cases and not in any other way. He appears to want the Church to treat sexual abusers the way heretics were treated by the Spanish monarchy who worked through some bishops to bring out the still-despised “Spanish Inquisition.” Meanwhile, many secular anti-Catholic reporters are claiming that the very legitimate inquisition in regard to women’s religious institutes in the Church is somehow akin to that Spanish Inquisition of old and that, as such, it is wrong.

You cannot have it both ways. You cannot paint the Church as being like the Spanish Inquisition in regard to women religious (and therefore wrong) and then complain that it is not like the Spanish Inquisition in regard to priests who have sexually abused children (and therefore wrong.) It makes no logical sense other than to believe you are simply engaged in your own inquest into the Church because it is an institution that values patriarchy and hierarchy.

I ask you all to pray, not only for Cardinal Napier and all the clergy who must endure this sort of thing on behalf of all of us who are faithful members of the Catholic Church, but also for those who are attacking the Church, for the victims of sexual abuse, and for those who have abused them. There are no Catholic jail cells to put Mr. Nolan into, for very good reason, and for which I am thankful, and there are no inquisitions for the secular media at all, with jail cells or otherwise. We are the Church, not the Spanish Inquisition. As a faithful Catholic, I must say that I see more “Spanish Inquisition” behavior on the part of the secular media toward any they disagree with than can be found within any other institution in the world, with the possible exception of universities and their treatment of the freedom of conscience of students who are Jewish or Christian.

God help us in these trying times.

 

British Government Lawyers Disagree on What Constitutes Homosexual ‘Sex’

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The Telegraph reports on the Catholic bishops’ efforts to stop passage of same-sex “marriage” legislation. This tidbit of information jumped out at me.

Lawyers and MPs said the distinction created inequality between heterosexual and homosexual couples in the divorce courts and could ultimately lead to the abolition of the centuries-old concept of adultery.

It came after Government legal experts failed to agree what constitutes “sex” between people of the same gender.

Gay couples will also be barred from having their marriage annulled on grounds of non-consummation for the same reason.

It jumped out at me because of the irony that “gay marriage” is ostensibly about “equality.” In the end, legislators still have to decide what kinds of sex are “okay,” what kinds of sex are “not okay,” and even what constitutes “sex.”

The hypocrisy in the “equality” argument in light of this reality is breathtaking. The government is making rules about sex.

Rules.

About sex.

From the government.

If you think the Catholic Church making rules about sex and marriage is bad, then what do you think of the government doing it? Why is it okay for the government to create rules about sex and marriage that are binding on everyone, and that deem morality to be unworthy of consideration as a basis for such rules?

Do they draw these rules out of the proverbial hat?

Photo by: annie_belle1, Flickr

Over 1,000 Catholic Priests in UK Warn of Persecution if ‘Gay Marriage’ is Law

Charles Laughton as Henry VIII

Trivia: The actor Charles Laughton, who won an Oscar for his role as Henry VIII on the silver screen, was a homosexual.

According to The Telegraph, over 1000 Catholic priests have signed their names to a letter warning of persecutions of Catholics should “gay marriage” become legal in the United Kingdom. The number amounts to almost a quarter of all Catholic priests in England and Wales. Below are some of the specific things they mention that would result from legalized “gay marriage.”

  • The freedom to practice and speak about the Catholic Faith would be “severely” limited, despite government assurances to the contrary.
  • The level of persecution would be the worst in the UK since Henry VIII attempted to gain permission from the Church for a divorce from Katherine of Aragon.
  • When applied in context with other laws already in place in the UK, “gay marriage” would prevent Catholics who work in public institutions, like schools, from speaking openly about their beliefs on this subject.
  • The freedom to speak from the pulpit about Catholic teaching on homosexuality could be limited.
  • Catholics could face discrimination from employment for their beliefs on marriage.

Rev Dr Andrew Pinsent, a theologian at Oxford, points out the parallel between Henry VIII’s actions against the Church during the Reformation and today’s call for legalization of “gay marriage.”

“Henry VIII could have been forgiven for his adultery but he didn’t want to do that, he wanted to control marriage and redefine what was a marriage and wasn’t.

“Because the Church would not concede that point, that launched three centuries of great upheaval in English society, and from the Catholic point of view life was very difficult.

“We fear that what is happening now is that a network of laws are being put in place which would violate our freedom of conscience.”

Read the whole thing.

We are surely in for a trial in the United Kingdom, as well as here in the United States of America as being true to your Catholic Faith is being redefined as “hatred” and “bigotry.”

You cannot say “gay marriage” will have no effect on religious freedom while, in the next breath, claim Catholicism is inherently bigoted. This is like claiming poll taxes will have no effect on voting rights of the poor while claiming the poor are not smart enough to vote. Contradictions in your attitudes will not fool the wise. They will only fool the truly stupid. The only question I have is this. How many people are really so devoid of the ability to use reason that they cannot recognize the hatred for Catholicism in the “gay rights” movement, and that it is this hatred against patriarchy and spiritual fatherhood that is driving the call for “gay marriage” to be made legal? We shall see. We shall see how many people are that hateful and/or ignorant.

Photo: The Private Life of Henry VIII (Alexander Korda, 1933), by Joseph Black on Flickr.